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		<title>By: freeman</title>
		<link>http://bradspangler.com/blog/archives/1004/comment-page-1#comment-27325</link>
		<dc:creator>freeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice breakdown, Brad!

@Jeremy:
&lt;i&gt;My rejection of the term capitalism is simple: I donâ€™t like the emphasis on capital, period.&lt;/i&gt;

While my refusal to even use the word anymore (aside from when discussions like this arise) ultimately comes from Roderick Long's "zaxlebax" analysis, my long-time dislike of the term is partly due to the emphasis on capital as well.  

The emphasis on profits also turns me off, although I have no inherent objection to profits as such.  A freed market would open the door to alternatives to the profit-maximizing ethos that has thrived under current conditions.

I agree with your comments about BK Marcus.  His clinging to the word "capitalism" aside, I'm generally quite fond of him.  One additional hang-up though:  Hagbard Celine never provided a &lt;a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070829164439/http://www.blackcrayon.com/library/dictionary/celine/" rel="nofollow"&gt;definition for "political capitalism"&lt;/a&gt;.  Robert Anton Wilson would not be pleased about this.

*note:  I provided a wayback machine link to that Black Crayon page because the site is currently down for some reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice breakdown, Brad!</p>
<p>@Jeremy:<br />
<i>My rejection of the term capitalism is simple: I donâ€™t like the emphasis on capital, period.</i></p>
<p>While my refusal to even use the word anymore (aside from when discussions like this arise) ultimately comes from Roderick Long&#8217;s &#8220;zaxlebax&#8221; analysis, my long-time dislike of the term is partly due to the emphasis on capital as well.  </p>
<p>The emphasis on profits also turns me off, although I have no inherent objection to profits as such.  A freed market would open the door to alternatives to the profit-maximizing ethos that has thrived under current conditions.</p>
<p>I agree with your comments about BK Marcus.  His clinging to the word &#8220;capitalism&#8221; aside, I&#8217;m generally quite fond of him.  One additional hang-up though:  Hagbard Celine never provided a <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20070829164439/http://www.blackcrayon.com/library/dictionary/celine/" rel="nofollow">definition for &#8220;political capitalism&#8221;</a>.  Robert Anton Wilson would not be pleased about this.</p>
<p>*note:  I provided a wayback machine link to that Black Crayon page because the site is currently down for some reason.</p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:54:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job parsing that out; I made similar (but much less technical) arguments in the comments of &lt;a href="http://bkmarcus.com/blog/2008/04/capitalism-is-a-reclaimed-word" rel="nofollow"&gt;this B.K. Marcus post&lt;/a&gt;. It's childish, especially since I think it's the height of the ueber-intellectual libertarian snobbish stereotype to shove complex, unqualified economic ideas down people's throats and balk when they get indigestion.  No wonder anarcho-capitalists get vomit all over themselves.

I still think all parties involved need to re-read Long's &lt;a href="http://www.mises.net/story/2099" rel="nofollow"&gt;remarks&lt;/a&gt; on the matter.  If you're clear about what you mean by any given word, there's no problem.  But people like Marcus (and anti-capitalist leftists, for that matter) aren't clear about what they mean - they want to use shorthand in lieu of conversation, packaging complex positions up with nice, tidy, loaded labels.  Anybody who disagrees with the meta-decisions they've taken behind the scenes can go fuck themselves.

My rejection of the term capitalism is simple: I don't like the emphasis on capital, period.  I think there's better defenses of individual liberty than browbeating people with economic arguments.  I think free markets - and lots of other arrangements like co-ops and mutual aid societies - come from free people, instead of springing fully formed from Mises's head.  I don't think Marcus is intellectually dishonest; I think he's behaving in a self-righteous, smug manner that downplays ideas in favor of trite categories.

What a shame - he's an excellent writer; why demand monopoly over a word?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job parsing that out; I made similar (but much less technical) arguments in the comments of <a href="http://bkmarcus.com/blog/2008/04/capitalism-is-a-reclaimed-word" rel="nofollow">this B.K. Marcus post</a>. It&#8217;s childish, especially since I think it&#8217;s the height of the ueber-intellectual libertarian snobbish stereotype to shove complex, unqualified economic ideas down people&#8217;s throats and balk when they get indigestion.  No wonder anarcho-capitalists get vomit all over themselves.</p>
<p>I still think all parties involved need to re-read Long&#8217;s <a href="http://www.mises.net/story/2099" rel="nofollow">remarks</a> on the matter.  If you&#8217;re clear about what you mean by any given word, there&#8217;s no problem.  But people like Marcus (and anti-capitalist leftists, for that matter) aren&#8217;t clear about what they mean - they want to use shorthand in lieu of conversation, packaging complex positions up with nice, tidy, loaded labels.  Anybody who disagrees with the meta-decisions they&#8217;ve taken behind the scenes can go fuck themselves.</p>
<p>My rejection of the term capitalism is simple: I don&#8217;t like the emphasis on capital, period.  I think there&#8217;s better defenses of individual liberty than browbeating people with economic arguments.  I think free markets - and lots of other arrangements like co-ops and mutual aid societies - come from free people, instead of springing fully formed from Mises&#8217;s head.  I don&#8217;t think Marcus is intellectually dishonest; I think he&#8217;s behaving in a self-righteous, smug manner that downplays ideas in favor of trite categories.</p>
<p>What a shame - he&#8217;s an excellent writer; why demand monopoly over a word?</p>
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