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	<title>Comments on: Abortion and right-wing hypocrisy</title>
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		<title>By: rdcassiday</title>
		<link>http://bradspangler.com/blog/archives/661/comment-page-1#comment-19983</link>
		<dc:creator>rdcassiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 23:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Truth is like that." True.

Consider your comment about "hypocrisy" and the killing of a fetus, AND the comment about governments commiting violence against people who have been born with regard to their "personhood."

No one denying anyone their "personhood." 

The issue is innocent vs. guilty. Death penalty and war against terrorists kills criminals. Abortion kills innocent babies.

But, you would have to believe that the fetus is a real human being to follow all of that. That is a different discussion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Truth is like that.&#8221; True.</p>
<p>Consider your comment about &#8220;hypocrisy&#8221; and the killing of a fetus, AND the comment about governments commiting violence against people who have been born with regard to their &#8220;personhood.&#8221;</p>
<p>No one denying anyone their &#8220;personhood.&#8221; </p>
<p>The issue is innocent vs. guilty. Death penalty and war against terrorists kills criminals. Abortion kills innocent babies.</p>
<p>But, you would have to believe that the fetus is a real human being to follow all of that. That is a different discussion.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Spangler</title>
		<link>http://bradspangler.com/blog/archives/661/comment-page-1#comment-19960</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Spangler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 17:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's true that I've known some libertarians that are authentically "pro-life" -- meaning that they not only oppose abortion, but they're also anti-war and against the death penalty. They *honestly* believe both that a fetus is a person and that murder is wrong. The right to life doesn't end at birth in their view.

I've also, much more often, encountered so-called "libertarian" pro-lifers who are actually just anti-abortion conservatives who might happen to have some somewhat libertarian positions on one or more issues (but haven't actually embraced libertarianism as a philosophy).

The former have my respect, even if I personally find them unconvincing. The latter don't because, as I point out above, they're largely hypocrites (if not maniacs) -- because that's how I see all statists.

As an anarchist, I'm usually on decent terms with the former because they know I:

1) Support their right to freedom of speech to continue trying to peacefully make their case to individuals.

2) Support the rise of a future stateless society that could never force them to subsidize abortion through taxes, because there would be no such thing as taxes.

3) Support the rise of non-state voluntary legal networks based on contractual law -- any one or more of which could "outlaw" abortion among its members who choose to subscribe to it (but nobody else). That assumes such networks always preserve the option of peacefully opting out of them -- otherwise, we're talking about a government. And since governments commit unjustifiable violence every day against people who have actually been born and for whom there is no debate on their personhood...

Ultimately, I was making a point in the post above about the attitudes and hypocrisy among &lt;em&gt;statist&lt;/em&gt; pro-lifers. I could just as easily have made the same point if I was a "pro-life" anarchist. Truth is like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that I&#8217;ve known some libertarians that are authentically &#8220;pro-life&#8221; &#8212; meaning that they not only oppose abortion, but they&#8217;re also anti-war and against the death penalty. They *honestly* believe both that a fetus is a person and that murder is wrong. The right to life doesn&#8217;t end at birth in their view.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also, much more often, encountered so-called &#8220;libertarian&#8221; pro-lifers who are actually just anti-abortion conservatives who might happen to have some somewhat libertarian positions on one or more issues (but haven&#8217;t actually embraced libertarianism as a philosophy).</p>
<p>The former have my respect, even if I personally find them unconvincing. The latter don&#8217;t because, as I point out above, they&#8217;re largely hypocrites (if not maniacs) &#8212; because that&#8217;s how I see all statists.</p>
<p>As an anarchist, I&#8217;m usually on decent terms with the former because they know I:</p>
<p>1) Support their right to freedom of speech to continue trying to peacefully make their case to individuals.</p>
<p>2) Support the rise of a future stateless society that could never force them to subsidize abortion through taxes, because there would be no such thing as taxes.</p>
<p>3) Support the rise of non-state voluntary legal networks based on contractual law &#8212; any one or more of which could &#8220;outlaw&#8221; abortion among its members who choose to subscribe to it (but nobody else). That assumes such networks always preserve the option of peacefully opting out of them &#8212; otherwise, we&#8217;re talking about a government. And since governments commit unjustifiable violence every day against people who have actually been born and for whom there is no debate on their personhood&#8230;</p>
<p>Ultimately, I was making a point in the post above about the attitudes and hypocrisy among <em>statist</em> pro-lifers. I could just as easily have made the same point if I was a &#8220;pro-life&#8221; anarchist. Truth is like that.</p>
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		<title>By: rdcassiday</title>
		<link>http://bradspangler.com/blog/archives/661/comment-page-1#comment-19956</link>
		<dc:creator>rdcassiday</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 03:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go here...

http://www.nrlc.org/

...and get the facts on abortion before you go defending the right to murder. The right to have an abortion is a selfish "right," it is an act of pure violence. Read up on how an abortion is performed and see if you still support it.

An abortion is not the removal of a clump of tissue. It is the puncturing of an infant's skull and sucking out the brains, it is burning the baby's body with saline solution.

Don't support the right of some whore to murder her own child just because it is politically expedient.

If you're a true libertarian, you will oppose the government's supported murder of an individual human being and admit that life begins at conception, not when we decide it is convenient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go here&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nrlc.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nrlc.org/</a></p>
<p>&#8230;and get the facts on abortion before you go defending the right to murder. The right to have an abortion is a selfish &#8220;right,&#8221; it is an act of pure violence. Read up on how an abortion is performed and see if you still support it.</p>
<p>An abortion is not the removal of a clump of tissue. It is the puncturing of an infant&#8217;s skull and sucking out the brains, it is burning the baby&#8217;s body with saline solution.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t support the right of some whore to murder her own child just because it is politically expedient.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re a true libertarian, you will oppose the government&#8217;s supported murder of an individual human being and admit that life begins at conception, not when we decide it is convenient.</p>
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		<title>By: Equine Shine &#187; &#8220;And you&#8217;re still a murderer.&#8221;</title>
		<link>http://bradspangler.com/blog/archives/661/comment-page-1#comment-19940</link>
		<dc:creator>Equine Shine &#187; &#8220;And you&#8217;re still a murderer.&#8221;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 20:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] tip, Brad.    [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] tip, Brad.    [...]</p>
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