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So I’m checking out these 3M respirators and noticing the BIG price differential between the half-face and full-face models — $12 versus $130.

I’m wondering if anybody has done any rudimentary tests of either model using the new multiple gas filter cartridges with an eye toward guesstimating performance against common riot control agents. This shouldn’t be difficult or illegal when carried out in an outdoor rural location using commonly available self-defense pepper spray. I’m also wondering if the cheap half-face models, in particular, have been tested in conjunction with common swim goggles for eye protection.

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  • jimbabb says:

    Are you preparing for a Giuliani administration?

    PS: Congrats on getting banned on RedState. You get extra credit for invoking Lysander Spooner while doing it.

  • Mike Erwin says:

    The only really common ones are OC and CS and variations on each, though CN may have been used at Seattle.

    Another common problem is tobacco. Crowding thousands of people together, some of whom smoke, and some of whom are sensitive or allergic to smoke, causes trouble, without any ill will on anyone’s part.

    With OC, your first concerns should be eye protection, eye washes, and later decontamination. OC sticks to clothing, but doesn’t stay in the air the way that CS does. I’ve swallowed the stuff but haven’t breathed the stuff. I’ve heard reports of lung damage, but simple bandanas can minimize that.

    (If the cops grab you, hold you down, and spray the stuff in your mouth every time you draw a breath, they are likely to remove any mask first anyway.)

    With CS, you first concern should be lung protection, and masks are more appropriate. At Seattle, some people had nasty side effects, but many people were spending hours in CS-saturated areas.

  • @Mike: I’m actually somewhat acquainted with the effects of CS gas. I took basic training the summer of 1986 at the US Army Military Police School at Ft. McClellan, Alabama. There’s this nondescript looking little building called a “disco hut”. As a purported confidence building exercise in the efficaciousness of one’s mask, the soldier walks into this small toolshed, which is supersaturated with CS gas, while wearing their mask, stands at attention before a drill sergeant and first recites some of the rigamorole they’re required to memorize (general orders, chain of command, whatever) wearing the mask. Then one removes the mask and repeats the recitation. The effects of the CS exposure, naturally, are the origins of the term “disco hut”, as the soldier flails around in panic and severe physical distress. I remember doing what I only thought was vomiting as I was pushed out of the building (couldn’t find the exit on my own). I wasn’t actually vomiting. The mucus from my mouth, nose and throat were welling up instantaneously in a really huge amount due to the extremely high CS concentration in the enclosed space.

    @Jim: I believe in considering a variety of contingencies.

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